A letter from Dr. Land to President-Elect Obama,

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The first thing that I'll note is that some issues are not most effectively addressed by throwing laws at them. I think the Prohibition era, when alcohol was made illegal, much in the same way drugs are today, is a good example which has relevant parallels to abortion. That is, abortion has existed as long as history -- or at least as long as we've had laws regulating sexual activity -- and desperate women will always seek the, no matter the danger.

As illegal alcohol (and illegal drugs and prostitution) provide organized crime with avenues for making money, I think a return to an outran ban on abortion would return abortion to the hands of organized crime. Rich women will always have a choice as they can travel to get what they want, but the less affluent and particularly the poor will be relegated to organized crime sources -- if they're lucky -- and back alley do-it-yourself hacks, coathangers and other dangerous means if they're not. Thus, the outright banning of abortion wouldn't make abortion stop, any more than banning alcohol, drugs, or prostitution has eliminated those activities. It just makes them more dangerous. Plus, you add a whole lot of mothers dying along with their unborn children.

Thus, using law as a way to address abortion and other similar "vice crimes" isn't particularly effective and it costs millions of dollars and millions of headaches to prosecute. Plus it opens up another can of worms with violating the right to privacy and right to bodily integrity.

I think a more effective goal than the outright banning of abortion is to seek to reduce abortions, while at the same time allowing it to remain safe and legal. (Similarly, I think that drug and alcohol abuse and, in some aspects, prostitution, ought to be addressed as medical issues rather than legal ones.)

How is this done? There are several approaches, all of which should be used. First of all, as Dr Land has listed is to address the reasons why women choose abortion and to ameliorate the problems there, which are mainly related to poverty and lack of supportive resources for parents of young children.

Secondly is education, which is to support comprehensive sex education in the schools so young people know how to prevent pregnancies before they happen. This goes hand in hand with supporting all forms of birth control and research into newer, more effective and more safe options. Education is also needed to reduce the stigma against non-marital sexual expression and single parents.

Third, the foster care and adoption system in this country needs to be fixed. Presently there are hundreds of thousands of children languishing in foster care, many of whom will never be adopted. If abortion is outlawed across the board, where will all the extra children who are put up for adoption go? As an aside, I find it incomprehensible that when there are so many children available for adoption in our own country, that many couples go overseas to adopt children, China being a favorite choice.

Also, with a decade of seeing abused children while working as a cop, I can tell you that the child welfare services are overburdened and frequently do not adequately serve the children they are charged to protect. In many instances, they get there too late for the children. There's generally a lot of time and bureaucracy involved before a child is removed permanently from defective parents, as the mindset is to try to keep the family together and give the parent every chance to straighten up. So, even if the worst doesn't happen, the child often ends up being bounced from pillar to post, from foster care to home to foster care to home in a vicious circle, that leaves the kid to grow up emotionally scarred in any instance. And in the worst cases, it's hard for me not to think that abortion might have been the lesser evil in such cases.

So, for the reasons listed above, I could never support an outright ban on abortion. It's not a simple issue and there are not and can not be simple solutions.

In re: stem cell research, this, too isn't a simple issue and there is much good to be gained from it, particularly in Alzheimer's research. It is this issue in particular that caused the Reagan family to break away from the Republican party. Likewise, this is a complicated issue that will require complicated solutions.
You make excellent points. I have concluded that there will be no law banning abortions. Although there are laws protecting rapists, serial killers, pedophiles rights which often leads them to be set free. Does this seem like a non-sequitor? No. It's the insane culture we live in. Hear a heartbeat inside you. See your baby sucking her thumb in utero, see an MD (with plastic models) describe the procedure, realize that more babies are killed than soldiers and you might feel differently. Ban partial birth abortions completely - an only allow them if the life of the mother is at stake. Otherwise who has the right to judge if the baby, not fetus, should live. It is the most cruel and barbaric of deaths. DEATH ROW inmates have more rights about how their lives are terminated than a near term baby.

Moving on. I think you and Land make enough points that I totally agree with at least its a place to start - bottom up. I agree with your points. (You certainly don't look like a former cop!) :))))) I respect your opinion. It is tough. Listen, I supported the decriminilization of marijuana in MA. So my kids could be free to smoke? Heck no. So people who make dumb mistakes aren't forever ruined by having a small amount of pot and so the prison system isn't taxed further and decent, stupid people aren't forever changed by enduring coexisting with hardened criminals.

Too much to respond to stem cell here. It is complicated. Ethics are. I just think it's a slipperty slope. Open the door to using all the embryos that are frozen and will be summarily disposed of being used for healing is great. But once open, do we clone, farm, sell? That's my fear. That's all it is.
Thanks for posting. I'm glad you didn't hold back. Remember I see both side all the time. To my detriment. And I have finally taken strong, open stands on a few issues.
Just remember, that baby that the doctors say will be born with debilitating disease and may suffer, when born, could be the next Stephen Hawkins.
Conversely, there is the old ethical argument, "Would it have been a sin if Hitler was aborted?"

I also have an aversion to pro life advocates quoting scripture to support their argument. Imposing religious beliefs on others through legislation is a denial of the rights of those who may have other, or no, religious beliefs.

There is no simple answer to ethical concerns regarding abortion, or stem cell research. Ultimately, the choice must remain with the individual, for by pro life advocates presuming to speak for the rights of the unborn, they necessarily repress the rights of the individual concerned. And the right to choose what to do with one's body must remain the choice of the individual. Imperfect, I know, but it's an imperfect life.

Otherwise, I can't add to Libertine's well considered arguments. That isn't to say that I don't respect your pro life argument. I just disagree with it.

I'm pro-life and pro-choice. The two are not mutually exclusive. According to people on the forced-birth side of the fence, a rape survivor shouldn't have a choice other than to have her rapist's baby. Is that just and right?

Abortion is too complicated a matter to make black and white or good and evil. People have views all along the spectrum all with good intentions from their POV. The problem is forcing women to yield control of their body to the state. What's next? From the fundie extremist POV, they want to eliminate abortion rights AND access to contraception AND reality-based sex ed in schools. I hate to break it to you, but that's a recipe for disaster that will increase the number of unplanned pregnancies and cases of STDs. Is that God's plan? Quite frankly it doesn't matter what the man upstairs thinks because we are talking about civil law, not the relationship between a woman and whatever deity she believes in, if she's a believer at all.

First of all, I never expected to see you on my site. :) I've seen you posting on very conservative sites. And I don't think of my self as either conservative or liberal. Though both sides would label me the opposite. So thank you for taking the time to comment.

a. I wrote a series of articles leading to this one - including the story of MY aborition. So you missed foundations that would give me the credibility of one who has been there and who has seen a lot.
b. I do not judge those who had them. How could I? Many women suffer long after. Again, if you care, read back to the experience of someone who has been through it all.
c. I wrote I believe in sex education and I believe (unlike my religion) in birth control. You can't have it both ways. You want to stop abortions? Then teach young girls how to protect themselves from STDs, unwanted pregnancies,etc. It FLAMES me when people say do away with the birth control. HUH? Are you serious? Don't teach teen girls how to protect themselves? Okay, well let's have little teen pregnant mother support groups like the high school in Gloucester, MA. My view as I wrote in my prior posts - which were many during a 40 day for life campaign I signed up for and you'll see my sign in photo. I used to support Planned Parenthood until I looked.
Again, I don't want to see "back alley abortions." But read the series of posts. How are we so shocked that thousands of mostly men and many women are killed in war, but we aren't horrified that the equivalent of countless jumbo jets of new life drive into the ground daily. 50 million.
In this post, the minister of another faith talked about ways to avoid abortion. Can we all agree on that? As in avoid pregnancy? I think on that you and I agree. On much you and I agree on this topic. I hope I make sense. But if you care, read before this letter and you'll see, I'm not some "haven't got a clue, have always been a good girl Catholic." Far, far from it.
d. About 1% of abortions were due to rape or incest (statistics in prior post). And on that, I cannot speak nor will I speak to what the person should do.
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